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Cow boy training centre?

Discussion in 'Training & Development' started by rabmerab, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. rabmerab

    rabmerab Bit Poster

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    Hi every one

    I remember 5 years ago when I was interested to train for MCSE. I went my self to one or two training provider and the cost of the training at that time was round £7000.00.
    I didn’t have the money and I found a job as electronic engineer so I didn’t do the training.
    Now, I want to train to get the MCSE. I checked online and some centre offer the course for round £6000.00. But I was confused when I saw other provider offer the same course + CISCO for £1690.00 ( as example http://www.bcoc.co.uk/mcse_mcp/trai...courses.aspx?gclid=CPj3_r3Ev6ACFQIslAodQVTNLw) and they got a training centre.
    Of course, I don’t want to pay £6000.00 because I am not rich but are those who offer the course for low cost reliable? Even though, now one was waist £1700.00 any way.
    I will be very pleased if any one can lift confusion.?

    thanks
    rabmerab:)
     
  2. Scott77

    Scott77 New Member

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    No idea about the quality of training, but they have just been fined for being under-licensed to the tune of £40K

    http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn/news/2258782/bsa-offers-piracy-lesson
     
  3. rabmerab

    rabmerab Bit Poster

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    Can some one advice me on which training provider are good out there?
     
  4. skulkerboyo

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    Why not study at home. Cost of books, exams and setting up labs in virtualisation software is bugger all compared to paying training providers.
     
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  5. rabmerab

    rabmerab Bit Poster

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    Hello and thanks for your input:D

    How to you set-up labs in virtualisation software?
    In the past when I first got interested, I did build small network from cheap computer I bought from the market or scavenge from my mates.
    I though training provider is good not only for training but to know people who my know people in the IT industry.
     
  6. skulkerboyo

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    Where are you based?

    The MCSE is aimed at people with an already established base of experience in I.T. It sounds like you have none. Maybe consider studying the Comptia A+ and Network+. See how you get on and then decide whether or not you want to go for the MCSE. Training providers will welcome people with no experience as its all just money to them but you'll find it damn near impossible to get employed with no experience and an MCSE

    I think you may be aiming a little high a little too soon. Check out your options. Ask some more questions but dont get discouraged by the replies you get. We're just being honest. We stand to gain nothing from lying to you. Training providers on the other hand . . .
     
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  7. SimonD

    SimonD Terabyte Poster Moderator

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    You have been advised a number of times that you simply aren't ready for the MCSE so STOP IT.

    The MCSE is not an entry level cert to let someone into the door that is IT, it's designed to prove your ability as an accomplished Server engineer and the mere fact that you're asking how to create a lab to virtualise simply highlights the fact that you aren't at the level to become an MCSE.

    As others have suggested, start with the A+ and N+, learn the basics (rather than relying on the very little knowledge you currently have) and accept that you can't bypass the process to get further into IT by getting an MCSE, you can't. Not only that, if by some small miracle you do pass the MCSE (by cheating more than likely) you are not only cheating yourself but also cheapening the MCSE and further making the cert worthless.

    Please PLEASE PLEASE take on board, you are not ready for the MCSE.

    Take this as someone who is around the same age as you, has far more experience within IT and does have a large number of certs, I am not telling you this out of the good of my heart but out of wanting my hard earned certs to be worth what they are.
     
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    WIP: VCP6-CMA, VCAP-DCD and Linux + (and possibly VCIX-NV).
  8. BosonMichael
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    Simon... some people don't want to listen to the truth. They simply want to do what they've set out to do. Best we can do is to give our advice, and if they still want to handicap their own careers by getting overcertified without experience... sometimes, you just gotta let them. Can't save those who don't want to be saved.

    Your heart is absolutely in the right place, however. Better to try to protect someone fifty times than not try even once.
     
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  9. rabmerab

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    Come on Bonson, you got so many certificate which I guess it take a long time to get them and me just getting to IT, try to get one. Is that jealousy or something. Just kidding.
    Any way, how ,me 39 year old with no solid IT experience and no world wide recognized certificate can get to IT?
    I will try to start by getting A+.
     
  10. rabmerab

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    Trust me, I am not trying to find an easy solution. I never got anything easy in my life any way.
    I spend a big time of my life studying and I never cheated in any exams because I knew that wasn’t the way forward.
    You are in the field already and if you was in my place your may react in the same way.
    I am here to ask for opinion and I thanks every one for their input
    cheers
     
  11. BosonMichael
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    Boson, not Bonson. ;)

    It did take a while to get them. I've been in IT for over 12 years now. In 12 years, you could have as many or more than I do! But starting out, you don't NEED all those certifications. I didn't have any when I started.

    Get your A+, Network+, and MCDST, and you'll be in good shape. :thumbleft
     
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  12. SimonD

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    And like Michael I have been in IT for over 12 years and gained the certs that I have by working and studying hard.
    In my first year I got my CNA, that's it, with that I got into IT (it was at the time one of two core networking OS certifications, Certified Novell Administrator), I didn't learn to run before I could walk, I took my time. The fact that I had been dabbling for years previously helped but it was the hardwork and starting from the bottom that got me where I am today.
     
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    WIP: VCP6-CMA, VCAP-DCD and Linux + (and possibly VCIX-NV).
  13. BosonMichael
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    The "dabbling" part absolutely helps... not to get a short-cut straight to a higher-level job, but to rise up the career ladder faster. I had 18 years of "dabbling" and being the "go-to" computer guy before getting my first IT job, and that knowledge helped me advance quickly.

    Everyone has to start out at the bottom. The good thing is... you don't have to stay at the bottom forever. ;)
     
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  14. supernova

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    rabmerab

    I was thinking you say you install cctv , IPTV etc for your current job.

    Have you thought about Networking?

    Your current skills are transferable.

    ... i was just thinking basic cabling and cable laying could be an entry into the industry, whilst you do your A+,N+ and you would probably be trained to do specific Networking tasks along the way.

    Could you get a job doing what you do now with a company that also specialises in Networking and VOIP equipment a swell as CCTV, IPTV, IP CAMs etc. So you can get experience and training in other areas at work and eventual promotion?

    .. just a thought.. If that interests you.

    PS I too have been in IT on and off for 16 years, and i am relatively new to certification.
     
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