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Confused about new Microsoft MCSE/MCSA certs...

Discussion in 'General Microsoft Certifications' started by steveh2001, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. steveh2001

    steveh2001 Byte Poster

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    Hi guys

    Struggling to find any info on this, but with the announcment of the new MCSE/MCSA qualifications, and the requirement to do retakes every three years, does anyone know if I can finish my MCSE 2003 and not have to retake it? I have my MCSA, and am in the middle of doing my 70-294, but I cant find any info on the old MCSE 2003 exam on the Microsoft site!

    Cheers
     
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  2. Nyx

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    I'm confused as well, the page on new MCSA says the old one is retired and can no longer be earned (see Q&A). However the page on old MCSA doesn't say it at all, also exams required did not expired. My guess is you can do the exams but won't get the credential?

    Old MCSE: MCSE Certification | MCSE Training | Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
    At any point it doesn't say it has expired. Of course it can't be live forever, but there must lots of people in the middle of doing it, I don't see why MS didn't give any notice?
     
  3. steveh2001

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    Still cant find any definitive answer - On other forums I see mention of a September 2012 deadline then it may be classed as a "legacy" certification as per MCSE 2000, but cant see any evidence of this on the Microsoft site. Was going to study this weekend but not sure now!

    Also if you look under the certification/training Microsoft site, and you go search by product, you only see the new certs, and no mention of the old certs...
     
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  4. ChrisH1979

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    There is usually a button on those web pages saying you can do a live chat with an MS employee about certification, try asking them.
     
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  5. steveh2001

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    Thanks Chris - managed to have a chat with someone and they confirmed that the MCSE 2003 is still viable for the near future (without the need for 3 year retakes) and when it is retired, there will be 1 years notice.
     
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  6. nugget
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    Thanks for the info Steve. I'm sure that a lot of people are also wondering the same thing.
     
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  7. TechTock

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    It's a bit of a clanger for Microsoft as this is just going to confuse everyone and especially employers and agencies. They should of either kept the name past Windows 2003 and continued to use it for Windows 2008 and beyond certs or scrapped it forever. Personally they should never of gotten rid of the MCSA/MCSE. I believe they also have a different meaning now when not abbreviated.
     
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  8. derkit

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    Thanks for clarifying this! I've 2 exams away from the end - and in a number of places I've seen that the 2003 has expired and started to panic! Phew, thankfully not :)
     
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  9. GSteer

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    Thanks for the info Chris. Don't suppose they mentioned the old MCSA in the same conversation did they ? I've got one core and one client exam left for that one.

    I'm debating if it's worth finishing the 2003 track or just hitting the 2008 certs. It ends up as the same number of exams and the only additional benefit is to have MCSA 2003 listed on the ticket list.
     
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  10. nashrik

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    Hello to all
    I just completed the MCSA 2003, giving me the following tests

    70-290 2003 Server
    70-291 2003 Network
    70-270 XP Pro
    70-680 Win7

    At the following link
    www microsoft com/learning/en/us/certification/mcsa-previous.aspx # tab2

    the profile is reached.
    The problem is that the Microsoft MCP site, my profile does not appear to have reached the status of the MCSA, but only "MCP and MCTS: Configuring Windows 7" .... why?
    I contacted Microsoft to find out more information ... now I'm waiting for an answer .....
    well hopefully
     
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  11. Theprof

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    I don't think the old MCSA cert is available anymore, with the new MCSA ( Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate: Windows 2008 ) the old MCSA was retired. You can still get the MCSE I believe.
     
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  12. wagnerk
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    If you've only just passed the exams, it can take 7 to 14 days for your transcript to be updated.

    To my knowledge it's just the MCSA 2000 that is unattainable (since Dec 2011), I believe that you can still earn the MCSA 2003 for now...
     
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  13. Theprof

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    Hey Ken, I must be confused then... looking at the Microsoft site regarding old/new MCSA, I see this:

    Q. What is the difference between the new Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate (MCSA) certifications and the previous Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator certifications?

    A.
    The new Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate (MCSA) credential focuses on the ability to design and build technology solutions. The previous Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator certification focused on a specific job role and can no longer be earned.

    MCSA: The foundation for your career in IT
     
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  14. wagnerk
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    Me too... as on another MS page, it states that only the MCSA 2000 can't be earned...

    I guess we'll just have to wait to hear what they say in response to nashrik's e-mail :)
     
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  15. Theprof

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    Yeah would be good to know, a friend of mine is looking to finish his MCSA (2003), he's just an exam (291) away.. Kind of disappointing to be an exam away and not be able to earn the MCSA.
     
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  16. wagnerk
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    So true, especially if the MCSE 2003 is still available.
     
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  17. nashrik

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    Thanks to everyone for the quick responses.

    I checked today, and I can confirm that the MCSA 2003 is still valid.
    Passing the exam configuring Windows 7, I also obtained the qualification MCTS.

    Now, I will upgrade to MCSA 2008.
    best regards
     
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  18. somebodyspecial

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    Realizing this post is a bit old. Just for clarification: I don't believe you will ever see MCSA show up with 70-290/291/680/270.
    Per notes at MS website, you can only use ONE Client OS to count towards MCSA 2003. So you would need an elective still. A+ with Network+ (or one of these and security+ or server+), or some other test that isn't a client OS. 70-680 & 70-270 are both client OS's.
    https://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/mcsa-previous.aspx#tab2
    See NOTES in client os section.
    "Exams on client operating systems: Choose one
    TS: Windows 7, Configuring 70-680
    Note You may apply this exam toward either the elective requirement or the client operating systems requirement-not both."
    The same is said for 70-270.

    Please confirm if it really showed up Nashrik. Have they changed it so both count now or did you have to finish another elective that wasn't CLIENT OS based?
     
  19. Pizzaboy

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    @somebodyspecial I believe what that note means is that you can not claim the same exam twice i.e. you can not use 270 as your client and your elective its either one or the other. Therefore if you wanted to you could complete 2 out of 3 client exams to complete the MCSA one being counted as an elective and the other being counted as a client.
     
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  20. RichyV

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    Yes, his completion of 290 & 291 covers the core exams.

    270 would be the elective and 680 the client (or the other way around) but these 4 together will certainly add up to an MCSA 2003.

    HTH
     
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