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CCNA or MCSE

Discussion in 'A+' started by dino66uk, Apr 20, 2008.

  1. dino66uk

    dino66uk Nibble Poster

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    Hello everyone was just wondering, im doing A+,N+, after these two courses which is the best course to take and why? CCNA or MCSE?
     
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  2. hbroomhall

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    Depends on your plan for your career. Those two are very different.

    Harry.
     
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  3. greenbrucelee
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    Neither unless you have the appropriate experience, having either of those two certs without the appropriate experience can have a damaging effect on your employment prospects.
     
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  4. JonGlory

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    Really depends what you want to learn and do as a job.
     
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  5. Sparky
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    Probably best to start on those certs when you are working in IT, you will have a better idea of what interests you and also what infrastructure you have to support on a day to day basis.

    After the A+\Network+ perhaps go for the 70-270 or MCDST. 8)
     
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  6. drum_dude

    drum_dude Gigabyte Poster

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    C'mon GBL...that's not quite correct.

    As said by harry the two certs are very different. If you want to go down the Windows Server based specialisims then I'd say go for the MCSE. For networking stuff - cisco in particuler - then the CCNA is a good start.

    However, don't expect to land into a high paying network admin or server admin job after completion as experience is needed more then a cert on it's own...but it's entirely possible to get a good job without the experience! Just depends on being in the right place at the right time!

    My advice? Just do what you want to do and have a blast whilst you're at it!
     
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  7. greenbrucelee
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    well if you no experience they can as has been proved on here before with snow whites thread.
     
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    Not to mention having long blond hair, a shapely tushy, and lax morals. :twisted:
     
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  9. drum_dude

    drum_dude Gigabyte Poster

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    Sorry but I have to disagree with your view on the subject. There is nowt wrong with learning; but saying that it has a negative impact on a perspective career - the OP hasn't even mentioned what his/her goal is - is just taking the piss somewhat!

    And I couldn't give a f*ck what snow white and the seven dwarfs says...another bad loser IMHO - life is **** and then some! Everyone has to start somewhere!
     
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  10. Rob1234

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    Many people get jobs with no experienice but they do not come on here and create a thread about it.
     
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  11. asam.shan

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    Choose whatever interests you most as your more likely to succeed that way IMO
     
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  12. sunn

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    Being a certified without the relative experience is seen in a negative light to an informed interviewer. Going from A+ & N+ to the CCNA or MCSE is not the path most would recommend unless the individual has relative experience.

    Saying that, it’s only an opinion – do as you wish.
     
  13. BosonMichael
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    Agreed, absolutely.
     
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  14. Modey

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    We have had 'paper MCSE's' apply for a tech position here before. Can you guess where their CV went? :)
     
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    Posted on the "Bulletin Board of Laughter", of course! :p:biggrin
     
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  16. dino66uk

    dino66uk Nibble Poster

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    Well some mixed opinions there. Im a bit confused to say the least!! thx to everyone
     
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  17. sunn

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    I can understand why you might be confused. I can’t talk about the MCSE but I can in regards to the CCNA.

    First off, look at the material that the CCNA covers. From routing protocols to switch technologies; from subnetting to wireless to IPv6 – there’s a lot to take in. For someone without experience in using at least some of these technologies it can be overwhelming.

    To put it in perspective, the CCNA used to be at the bottom of the Cisco hierarchy. It’s still a base requirement to any of the Professional certs. However, many people have come back saying it was much more difficult than a given CCNP module/course. Reason is the CCNA material is an inch deep, but a mile wide; whereas the CCNP modules are very specific but cover a lot on the given subject.

    Obviously, with practice and a commitment to studying, one can pass the exam. However, the point many of us usually try to make is without experience what employer will give a newly certified professional a chance on live production equipment? (Ans: Not many).

    On the flip side, some of us have seen individuals apply for a role holding certifications with no experience (paper certs). This usually ends up costing the applicant an opportunity at even junior / entry-level roles, because an employer will see the applicant as a liability that will walk away after some experience is gained. Although it may be true (or not) it’s not the perception most employers like to face or deal with.
     

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