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*** BRAINDUMPS***

Discussion in 'Training & Development' started by fatp, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. fatp

    fatp Byte Poster

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    HI guys!

    I have been using this forum for the past 6 months and appreciate all the sound advice that I have recieved from all the I.T professional's posting on this forum. However I have a some questions about the 'braindump' issue:

    1) What exactly is a braindump?
    2) How can you identify that you are knowingly / uknowingly using an braindump?
    3) How can you be caught using braindumps?

    I know they are wrong to use and lower the credition of us as professionals and the strength / validity of the certification in question.
     
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  2. GiddyG

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    Braindump

    If it's cheap, say a couple of quid off eBay, then it's almost certain to be a braindump, or cr@p... or both...

    You may not be caught in the exam, but it won't help you when you're asked to do something in your job that you're supposed to have known in order to pass an exam... and you won't keep your job for long as a consequence...
     
  3. Mitzs
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    For the most part they are stolen test questions.
    Most sites will let you know what you are buying. It is their selling point to the low life cheating rat bastard.
    Well when MS went after one big dump site part of the court order was for to release their client list. All your information they have on you handed over to the law and MS.

    Then there are those of us that wait for an idiot to brag about using them and turn their rat arse in. This is one of those things in life I don't think have to think twice about. And you never know who we are or where we will be untill it is too late. 8)
     
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  5. Sparky
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    (1)Actual questions and answers from the exam.

    (2)As GBL has said, check out certguard.com to find out if the source is legit. I find it best just to buy training materials from companies with a good reputation. Don’t bother searching the web for test exam questions as many websites that will be found are full at BDs. Avoid at all costs!

    (3) Haven’t met anyone that has been stripped of their certification however I have worked with people who have openly admitted using BDs to get their certs. From experience these people who take short cuts to get their certs also take short cuts in their work which often means someone else has to pick up the pieces (generally me!). Also they generally move on quickly before they get the sack.
     
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  6. fatp

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    people who have a cert by using brain dumps dont get the experience of

    1) Gettin knowledge from the actual studying - obtaining the realworld skills :rolleyes:

    and

    2) will deffo get caught out when in the practical work environment, when the cannot apply the so called 'skills' they have acquired from theire fraduently obtained cert! :rolleyes:

    FatP!
     
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  7. BosonMichael
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    "Studying" doesn't equal "obtaining the real world skills". Real world skills are real world skills... studying just gives you the theory behind the practical application.

    What braindumps do is enable you to pass an exam before you're ready to pass the exam. If you can't pass without cheating, you're not ready to hold the certification.

    As much as I wish that were ALWAYS true, it's not. Many are caught out, but not all. Some fly under the radar for a looong time before they're caught out. Some know juuuust enough to keep from getting fired. But I will agree that someone who gets a certification legitimately is USUALLY a much better tech than one who uses braindumps to pass.
     
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  8. Tinus1959

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    You are answering your own question. So A: You knew the answer allready, then why ask in the first place, or B: this is a sum-up of what you learned so far.
     
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  9. MacAllan

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    This is (mostly) a forum for people who are working hard to achieve their certs, and many (like me) have paid bucket-loads of money into the bargain, so you can be pretty sure of a 'warm' reception if you come here and promote braindumps. It's cheating, and that's all there is to it really. Or rather, that should be all there is to it.

    But things are complicated in my opinion by three big factors:

    1. Employers will always look first and foremost at experience - but certs, even BD'd certs may make your cv stand out from the crowd.

    2. Training providers are often judged by results - and by encouraging their students to use BDs their pass rates are inflated. (Now many of you will know I am no fan of my own TP, but I admire their integrity here.)

    3. Employers may want to advertise themselves as (Put your favourite tradename here) Gold Partners, or whatever, and they need staff who are qualified to be able to do so - and therefore may push staff to get certs they don't really want or need. Self pressure or even employer pressure will encourage use of BDs.

    The irony, the bit that really sticks in my throat, is that the harder I work and the better I do, the more likely it is that an employer will assume I must have BD'd. Scrape a pass and it will look real. Other employers will just shrug and wonder why I didn't BD - it's that pervasive. And it stinks! I guess this is how 'clean' athletes must feel.
     
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  10. kevicho

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    I think they are unfair.

    I am considering putting on my CV that I have never done a braindump in my life as I havent, and also as others have said it takes hard work and dedication to study and gain practical experience in IT
     
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  11. sunn

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    I don’t know where you work, but I have never been in a place where BD's have been knowingly accepted. Once someone is on staff it can he a HR headache to get rid of the person; but to actually hire a body knowing they’re fraudulent doesn’t make for a good management decision. :noway

    Instead, wherever I’ve been, we’ve usually called the person out. Not hard to do when talking about ‘real’ scenarios, not just some text book lab exercise. :eek:
     
  12. BosonMichael
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    Many employers don't know about braindumps, so you may get more questions than answers and more confusion than clarity by including that information on your CV.

    Besides... you wouldn't explicitly list on your CV that you never cheated in high school or college, would you? Of course not. Saying so could bring up a question in an employer's mind that might not have otherwise been considered.

    For example, what would you think if you had asked me "How long have you been married to your wife", and I responded, "I have been married to my wife for nine years, and in all that time, I have never physically abused her." You'd likely say, "Hmm... why'd he even bring THAT up?"
     
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