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Braindumps?

Discussion in 'Polling Station' started by zimbo, Dec 5, 2006.

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Have you used braindumps before?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. zimbo
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    zimbo Petabyte Poster

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    I been wondering for a while now - all this braindump talk we have on here - people say they have used them and a lot say they havent. I want to create a poll and the question im asking is:

    Have you used braindumps before?

    You could have used them without knowing or you used them and dont care - no one including myself with see who voted for what - its just another poll to see. You dont need to post your answer just vote.
     
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  2. Mr.Cheeks

    Mr.Cheeks 1st ever Gold Member! Gold Member

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    ....and no not planning on using them either.

    i never came across braindumps before coming on this site, was told what they were and then i realised i knew someone who used them - i have a very low opinion on that person, and dont want to be in the same league as him...
     
  3. Leehaa

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    Being totally naieve and new to certifications I got a few questions from Test king when I was looking into doing MCDST.

    Then when I came here and after found out what they were.

    After a huge debate, I realised how damaging they can be for everyone and so haven't gone near em again, and doing it the thorough way:

    Microsoft press, Virtual PC, Mike Myers etc and experience!!

    Oh, and also gone on the interquad courses - I know it's quite a lot, but isn't it better to know your stuff thoroughly and actually be worthy of the qualification?

    (btw, i didn't take the exams until I'd done the books / courses etc)

    Cheers,

    Leah
     
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  4. Cockles

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    I'll be honest I am still not entirely sure what a braindump is. I have checked out your FAQ but it is a little vague.

    Can someone please tell me in laymans terms what they are, as if they assist people with gaining knowledge, why are they regarded as evil? I have never heard of them before until I came here.

    Am I potentially accessing a braindump if I google something like 'A+ example questions' then?
     
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  5. Mr.Cheeks

    Mr.Cheeks 1st ever Gold Member! Gold Member

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    mate -
    Thread 1

    Wiki

    there is a long list on different explanations on the site (if you're willing to read them all)

    No, you should hopefully get to example questions, but doing a search like that will bring up BrainDump sites aswell... These site contains exactly the same questions as what are on the actual exam, which of course breaches the Non-Disclosure Agreement.
     
  6. Cockles

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    Cheers Cheeks, I just took a look at the MCSE official site and got a very good (and rightly harsh) breakdown into what braindumping is.

    I looked back over my internet history and thankfully anything I have gotten as sample questions have either come from CompTIA themselves and questions that are of a similar vein but not replicas to exams.

    Phew, feel better now
     
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  7. Leehaa

    Leehaa Gigabyte Poster

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    ...and sites like Testking don't even admit to being braindumps (is that still the case?) - which makes the whole thing worse!! :eek:
     
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  8. Weemez

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    I have strong views on them and shame on anyone who uses them.
     
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  9. UCHEEKYMONKEY
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    UCHEEKYMONKEY R.I.P - gone but never forgotten. Gold Member

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    OMG :rolleyes: another thread on BD's

    If I had a pound for every time I saw a thread about BD's on this forum I would be a rich man:biggrin
     
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  10. zimbo
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    not the point... the point is one time or another some of us have used braindumps in the past without knowing it... or some people are just using them and dont care how much we tell them they no good! :twisted:
     
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  11. BosonMichael
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    That's why most of us try to proactively let new techs know about the danger of braindumps and what they are... BEFORE they get suckered into using them simply because of the low price. To be honest, that's why a lot of new techs use them. Without knowing any better, it's hard to justify spending $80 or more on a high-quality practice exam when TK is offering their stolen content for $50, and TK-knockoff companies are offering their stolen-stolen content for $20 (and their ENTIRE catalog for $100!). Hard for legit companies to compete with that... and to top it off, braindump companies don't have the expense of creating unique content that legit companies do.
     
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  12. Phoenix
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    Phoenix 53656e696f7220 4d6f64

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    I must say I find braindumps more activly used by people that actually know the stuff than those that don't
    I've worked for more than one company and been on more than one training course where the content is activly encouraged and testkings are pretty much standard content on some courses

    I've had more than a strong word in these instances, in one getting my money back from the training company and informing my job I would not be sitting an exam until I was ready despite there apparant needs for me to pass with a weeks notice

    Braindumps damage our industry, but so do people who read books, pass exams, but don't really know what they are talking about, and i've met far more of them than people who use braindumps

    Hopfully my time on CF has been spent encouraging people to embrace technology to improve there skills and not spending money on illegal and immoral materal :)
     
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  13. Sparky
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    Completely the opposite for me mate, people who take shortcuts for certification generally have the same attitude at work in my experience.

    Must admit a few weeks ago with all the talk of brain dumps I kinda doubted the whole point of gaining certification and I was considering chucking it after the MCSA.

    I got my head together (not in time for the exam though) and I am now more focused on my studies. I look forward to the day I can finally put the MCSE on my CV not just because it is a great achievement but to know I have gained by using legit study materials and through hard work. 8)
     
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  14. zebulebu

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    I hate braindumpers. HATE them. I just detest the idea that there are people out there who LITERALLY know nothing about the industry they're working in - even 'paper MCSEs' have at least some idea of the technologies they are working with.

    I hear everything Ryan says about people knowing the stuff and just wanting to get certified without running the risk of resits because the questions they get on the exam are nothing like 'real world' problems. The use of braindumps for techies working for resellers is particularly rife and, whilst there may be a legitimate reason for some of them it is still cheating - whatever shine they want to put on it.

    Maybe it's because I've never worked for a reseller, but I have never come across a single braindumper that could use the excuse that they were only doing it 'because they needed the cert for their job' or 'they didn't want to run the risk of having to pay the exam fee again'. Without exception they have been absolutely useless, and an embarrassment to both themselves and the poor sap who hired them on the basis of their certifications.

    Now - anyone know of a good braindump for the CEH? :twisted:

    ...kidding - before any of you start! :biggrin
     
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  15. Mitzs
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    Mitzs Ducktape Goddess

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    BDs are bad evil things, and people who knowingly use them and don't care that they are decreasing the vaule of that cert, should be taken out side, staked to a tree covered in raw meat, where the rabid dobbermens can eat to their heart content, then used for target pratice with mace balls then set on fire! If theres anything left and moving after that I have more ideas...
    Freaking rat bastards. Death to all dumpers!
     
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  16. Sandy

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    I see Ryan is also a member of the British Computer Society so BDs would be against our code of ethics!
     
  17. Cockles

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    Hi

    Would you mind expanding on that comment please?
     
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  18. JonnyMX

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    I've found that people with certs coming out of their ears have usually braindumped at some point. It's quite a feat to be an expert in everything.

    In every environment I've worked in, there has been at least one - either openly or in secret. This forum is the first place I've found with 100% hatred of Braidumping :tongue

    I worked with a guy once who really knew his stuff and had just about every cert you could name. For no particular reason I googled his name once and the only match I found was all over a BD forum. Using his real name too, deary me.

    I can't say I hate the practice, any more than I hated the kid at school who would copy someone's homework on the bus on Monday morning. Sooner or later they come a cropper - or maybe not - maybe it's us doing a hard day's work who are the busy fools?

    When I've challenged people - and as Ryan says, they are generally people who should know better - they always blame the pressures of work. They are required to have up to date certs because of their job, but they don't get time to study because they work long hours.

    So, braindumps are 'legally' wrong because they violate an agreement.

    I would also argue that it is wrong for someone to pretend they know something they don't - gaining a cert purely by cheating.

    What I can't decide on is if it is morally wrong for someone who actually knows what they are doing to use a dump to get through an exam because they don't have time to do a re-sit.

    But you can't really divide the issue. It's either OK or it's not - so I'd have to agree that it's not.
     
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  19. Phoenix
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    Certainly mate
    I dont care if you pass from braindumping or reading the appropriate book, if you still dont have a clue when it comes to real world scenarios your just as damaging to the industry, and there are FAR more people out there with big certs and very little real world experiance or knowledge

    This is not to say everyone who passes from 'self-study' doesn't know their stuff, self study does not mean your not skilled or experianced, however there are plenty of people who have the ability to read an MS Press book in a weekend and pass an exam and when it comes to the crunch, they can't do what it says on the tin


    Sandy is correct, the BCS have strict guidelines on the conduct of members and BDs are most definatly not acceptable and will result in you being struck from the membership role without second thought.

    Johnny
    I see your point, but my point was that even though I work in the reseller/channel environment I dont consider it an excuse, you have to stand up to your employer who is apparantly saying its essential and demand appropriate time for proper preperation, not just use BDs to pass a test to keep current, as your not really going to be current just cramming some questions in with no understanding of the new technology in play
     
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  20. JonnyMX

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    I wasn't referring to me in that last post by the way - I feel that I have certs relevant to my job role. I'm with the OU at the moment and we don't get an option of braindumping no matter how we regard it! :biggrin
     
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