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BCS Vote of No Confidence

Discussion in 'Professional Associations' started by pete.grant, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. pete.grant

    pete.grant Byte Poster

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    Today I recieved a letter from BCS trustees informing me that there is a small group of people wanting to get rid of the BCS chairman and take BCS back to how it was when they joined 30 years ago. I haven't heard these peoples reasoning for this but my first impression is this can only be a bad thing. What does everyone else think?
     
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  2. wagnerk
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    If you're a member of linkedin, you can read about it here.

    Personally, I joined the BCS for really two reasons:
    1. To gain Chartered Status &
    2. Promote the IT Profession & standards of the IT Profession.

    I've submitted queries to both the old management and new management via customer services, regarding various things and the answers where the same from both - so with this "power" struggle, I really don't have a side that I'm leaning towards.

    What I am surprised with is that for an organisation of approx 70k, it only takes 50 members to do something like this (and it's going to cost financially - aka coming out of our membership dues). And as long as the overall route of where the BCS is going is in the right direction, I'm ok with it (I may not be 100% happy with it, but that's the way of the world).

    -Ken
     
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  3. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    I have to agree, I joined for the same reasons and I too am concerned about how my membership fee's have been spent on a glossy leaflet telling me that there is a power struggle, which if I'm being honest, doesn't seem very professional to me. What ever happened to stuff like this being kept behind the scenes for the greater good of the organisations reputation? Its not like its a government being overthrown, its a registered charity. I'm guessing this 50 man rule is a throw back from the early days of the society but it does seem pretty daft to me and if something like this were to happen every year I'll stop paying my fees.....
     
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  4. UKDarkstar
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    Ok, these views are personal and no way am I representing BCS or the Dorset Branch (just to cover myself as I am an "officer" (Secretary) )

    1) all members have been sent several emails regarding the EGM - check your spm if you've missed them or get onto HQ if you def haven't rec'd them

    2) You can read more on the specialist site set up at :

    http://yourfuture.bcs.org/

    Personally, I do not agree with the EGM and the reasons behind it as I do see the need to move forward. Professional bodies do need to change, particularly in the current cliamte and cater for the needs of the majority of their Members and potential Members.

    IMHO if that means we lose some of the longer standing ones who want everything as it was when they joined many years ago then so be it.

    From what I know, I think there has been a lot of manipulation behind the scenes by both sides and certainly the most rceent attempt at placating those who are "unhappy" was not well met. I feel that those involved in calling for the EGM have abused their positions within the BCS and this is not the way to go about things.

    That's my 5p's worth (or at least as much as I'm prepared to say on a publicly viewable forum ! :p )
     
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    This. In its entirety. Unabridged.
     
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  6. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    I agree with you UKDS, people wanting to go back to the ways and ideals of the old days are living in a dream world. The industry has changed immeasurably since then so why would the old BCS ways be better than the new? Maybe if some of these professors spent their time researching a flux capacitor and not kicking off about who's in charge they may get what they want ha ha
     
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  7. pete.grant

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    As has already been mentioned, it doesn't fill me with confidence knowing that many peoples subscriptions have been used to pay for those letters and glossy leaflets!
     
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  8. onoski

    onoski Terabyte Poster

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    With talk of all these politics going on with the BCS, it comes to mind is it worth joining?
     
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  9. wagnerk
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    It depends on your point of view and what you want out of membership. If me it is worth it, for other's it may not...

    -Ken
     
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  10. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    I definitely think its worth joining if you want to belong to a professional organisation and support the IT industry. Good or bad, with its faults, the BCS in my opinion is still by far the most organised, rewarding and interactive society out there for IT professionals. The website is great, the monthly magazine is informative (I've bought a few books recommended by them), you get access to books 24x7, you can apply to be on your local committee, a young members rep, tons basically.

    I am glad I chose to join the BCS and will continue to pay my dues; I'm just a bit worried about this latest incident and hope it is resolved quickly. I will be writing in to ask them if the 50 man rule is still valid with the current membership size being 70,000+.

    My 2 cents and by no means the view of any other BCS CITP

    Jim
     
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  11. wagnerk
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    Repped :thumbleft (even though I'm disappointed that the BCS is not awarding the ICTTech mark/status.)

    It is, however if Ordinary Resolution 4, 5 & 6 gets approved, the Special Resolution aims to rectify this:

    In Bye-law 29 "two percent of the Professional Membership at the date of receipt of requisition" will replace "fifty Professional Members"

    Which for a member base of 70k, this now increases to 1400 professional members.

    -Ken
     
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  12. wagnerk
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    wagnerk aka kitkatninja Moderator

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    Well I've voted now :)

    -Ken
     
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  13. onoski

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    Thanks for the feedback all as I can now make an informed decision when the time is appropriate.
     
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  14. JonnyMX

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    I've read both sides of the argument, if you haven't already, you might need to check out http://bcsreform.wikispaces.com/

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but there are certainly things here that are less than clean cut. I, and fellow members, have been swamped by emails and glossy brochures from the trustees telling me what to do and how to vote (at considerable expense I guess) and it seems to me that those who have called the EGM have little more than a virtual soap box to stand on.

    The question I'm asking myself at the moment, is ultimately what's best for the BCS?
    Even if we disagree with how the current transformation has been managed, is derailing half way through going to help anyone?
     
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  15. onoski

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    Thanks JonnyMx, as you've pretty much answered your own question and the question I was asking and maybe others too.

    Ultimately, what is best for the BCS in general and it's members at large in terms of it's mission statement is a good cause.
     
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