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Are you planning to roll out Windows 7, and why/why not?

Discussion in 'Polling Station' started by wagnerk, Apr 13, 2009.

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Will you/your company be deploying Win 7?

Poll closed May 13, 2009.
  1. Yes

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    27.8%
  2. No

    9 vote(s)
    50.0%
  3. Maybe

    4 vote(s)
    22.2%
  1. wagnerk
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    wagnerk aka kitkatninja Moderator

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    Hi Guys and Gals,

    Thought I'd start another poll from this thread :)

    Are you planning on deploying Windows 7?

    We are currently planning on starting to deploy Windows 7 next year in the summer, provided the final product passes our testing.

    -Ken
     
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  2. danielno8

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    Interested to hear why yous plan to roll it out?
     
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  3. Sco0t

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    Over vista, definetely. better performance and seems more stable and that's it in beta. But heard the security isnt as tight, anyone else know about this?
     
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    only thing i heard security wise was the new UAC could be turned off without the user knowing, making it quite useless. I believe they have updated it for future releases so that there is now a confirm dialog when you change the UAC level.
     
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  5. jk2447

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  6. wagnerk
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    Well several reasons:

    1. We're going to by-pass Vista due to various issues.
    2. Mainstream support for XP is ending this year.
    3. Our licensing agreement allows us to, so no extra costs apart from the rolling replacement program.
    4. My organisation is an educational establishment (a secondary/high school) & we specialize in Computing and
    5. We want to :biggrin

    What we won't be doing is upgrading all PC's, simply because a good percentage of them do not meet the video card requirement. New PC's and a selection of new-ish PC's will be earmarked for Windows 7.

    -Ken
     
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  7. jk2447

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    How many machines would you expect to buy if you don't mind me asking Ken? I envy your setup because our cheque signers are much more, erm, frugal :rolleyes:
     
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  8. tripwire45
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    No one's mentioned a peep where I work. Of course, all of the developers and network guys run Linux. I think one of the research guys and the admin staff all use XP, though.
     
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  9. VantageIsle

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    Rumored to start early next year, planning to by pass Vista altogether apparently.

    Strange behavior from M$ though, support apparently ends for xp pro on 14/04/2009, but according to this article M$ are offering the chance for users to downgrade to Vista or XP!

    Vista I can understand, but XP! why offer downgrade privilege to a product which is end of life (as far as M$ are concerned)
     
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  10. wagnerk
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    Na, don't mind :)

    This year, up to 120 desktop machines (30 on a hardware rolling replacement program, up to 90 new installs). Due to budget this, most likely, with be a combination of thin client and full fat PC's. Plus approx 50 mobile machines, again due to budget, this will be a combination of laptops and eeePC/clones.

    Next year, slightly less... 30-60 machines, again not sure if thin client or full fat PC's, again this will be rolling replacement program, and up to 50 laptops.

    As for the old PC's that will be replaced by the new PC's in the rolling program, the PC's that are damaged beyond repair will be used for spare parts, the PC's that are still usable will be redistributed into area's that do not have/are lacking in IT equipment.

    The above will be added to the current 550 machines (pc's & laptop) that we already have.

    -Ken
     
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  11. zebulebu

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    Support for XP will continue until 2014. At that point I might consider upgrading wherever I'm working. Until MS give me a legitimate reason to do so, there is no chance in hell I'm moving any of my lUsers away from the most stable 'normal' (i.e. desktop) O/S I've ever seen. Ditto Server 2003 vs Server 2008 - no benefit whatsoever to be gained from migrating to 2K8 other than NAP and RODCs (neither of which is of massive benefit for most companies)
     
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  12. MLP

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    Like Ken, I also work in a school. The hardware takes quite a bit of wear and tear, so gets refreshed quite often. Think of a standard workstation, used by say a purchase ledger clerk. He/She comes to work at 9:00, powers the computer up, goes of to get a coffee, then logs in whilst organising the days work ahead. He / She then operates the computer at various times through the day, and dutifully logs off and shuts down at 5:00. Being an adult, they treat the equipment with respect, as they have to use it day in, day out.

    Take that same machine, put it in a school, and let 11 - 18 year olds at it. It gets cold-booted five times a day, used intensively during each hour long session, and there is much less ownership of the PC. Wear and tear dictates that it gets replaced more frequently. As a result, PC specs increase, as hardware costs drop. This gives (some) schools more opportunity to use the latest OS's, compared with the purchasing clerk, whose IT dept. have no other reason to update the PC other than for a new OS. That alone, unless there were significant reasons, such as security or the ability to run some sort of specialist software, is not enough to persuade the money people to release funds for shiny new PC's.

    Where I am, we are still using XP, and have been planning and testing a network migration for this summer, and have opted for XP, rather than Vista, for a number of reasons. My personal preference is that we skip Vista, and go straight for Windows 7. This will save us having to move over twice, and in our own experience, 7 performs so much better than Vista. I run it in a VM, allocated it 512MB Ram, and allowed it to use one of my cores on a 2GHz Core II Duo, and it was more than usable. I didn't get all the pretty effects, I needed to install natively for that, but was able to run office, Internet Explorer and a few Dev tools with no speed problems.

    So, to answer the question, We might look at it, when its officially released, as long as it's compatible with all our apps, and the group policies are adequate. In terms of hardware, by the time it's released, and maybe had a service pack, all our hardware will be up to spec.

    Maria
     
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  13. Sparky
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    True, although I do think Terminal Services in 2008 is a big step forward in comparison to 2003. Might as well upgrade the DCs at the same time. :wink:
     
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  14. AJ

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    Same as Wagnerk. In fact as we going down the VDI route, it will be even easier for us. We will only let certain users get the Windows 7 desktop and only after it has been fully tested.

    oh and that we can stream the apps to the desktop as well:rolleyes:
     
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    Is my memory playing tricks or did most places bypass 2000 Pro and instead upgraded from NT4 to XP? If so then isn't this just the same sort of scenario? MS releases a new OS then immediatly announces that they are developing another.
     
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    Not sure... We upgraded from NT/9x to 2000, then didn't upgrade to XP properly until SP1 (as I recall there were 1 or 2 issues that developed pre-SP1).

    I have to say that I loved 2000 when it came out, the reliability of NT with the usability of Win 9x (apart from ME when you installed anything non-MS on it).

    -Ken
     
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  17. jk2447

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    Sounds like you'll have your hands full Ken, you'll have to let us know how it all goes. Is it your responsibility to roll it all out?

    I think I'll download a copy of 7 after all this discussion to throw on my Vmware, see if its as good as people are saying. Just a quick one, am I right in saying you can upgrade to 7 from Vista Home? And does anyone know if you can go from 32bit to 64? Mod's feel free to slap my wrists if I'm being cheeky asking here :unsure
     
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  18. AJ

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    Our school used Macs (before my time there) and the headmaster told the Director of IT that he wanted PC's in the school. After the D of IT picked himself up after fainting PC's arrived with W2k Pro and Server.

    We didn't upgrade to XP properly until SP2. Vista, just don't go there. I think there are half a dozen vista machines in the school. I tried it at school but as I found that my exchange tools and some AD stuff wasn't compatable and I needed to RDP onto the servers when I wanted to do stuff.
     
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  19. Sparky
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    Not in any of the places I worked at. We were keen to move to 2k to make use of Active Directory and the workstations got an upgrade at the same time. I still support a few customers that have 2k workstations but all the NT stuff has gone except for a few virtual servers hosting some ye olde software. :biggrin
     
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    When I started at the council in 2005 they were upgrading from NT4 to XP SP2...obviously it was quite a hit for those who needed digital cameras for their jobs as their USB ports suddenly became usable LOL!
     
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