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anyone here studied MCSE course ?

Discussion in 'New Members Introduction' started by mugen1314, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. mugen1314

    mugen1314 New Member

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    just applied to do The Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) course through ICS. Just wanted to know if anyone here has any experience in that course ?
    I come from a average background of knowledge of the PC and although i yet recieve any of my course package im just worried how hard the course is for me.
    any adise much appreicated please :biggrin
     
  2. Sparky
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    Do you work in IT mate?
     
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  3. mugen1314

    mugen1314 New Member

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    no experience :( i decided to start from scatch with my qualification in IT. I know IF i do acheive the MCSE qualification i would require basis work experience to boost my creditials.
    But for a average knowledge of the PC , is the course hard ?
    many thanks
     
  4. nugget
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    Hi and welcome to the forum.:biggrin
     
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  5. greenbrucelee
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    Yes it will be.

    The MCSE is designed for people who administer and maintain servers and networks, these people will have atleast a years experience doing that in a job. This is what Microsoft recommends. Having the MCSE and no on the job experience can damage your employment prospects because employers expect you to be able to do the job straight away without supervision.
     
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    Yeah the MCSE course work *is* hard.. and the 7 related exams are very hard to pass.

    The MCSE is aimed at people with at least a years experience administrating a server client network over different sites, using a variety of different technologies. It is not an *entry* level cert. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Sparky
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    Yup, it is hard.

    A better option would be to go for A+, Network+ and then MCDST first to find out if you even enjoy studying IT certs before taking on the MCSE. 8)
     
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  8. BosonMichael
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    If you achieve the MCSE and try to get a job, you'll likely have a hard time doing so specifically because of the MCSE. But... the training provider wasn't going to tell you that... they just want to sell you the most expensive course they can get you to agree to.

    As the others have stated, the MCSE is for experienced server administrators. If you get the MCSE, employers with MCSE-level jobs won't hire you, because you lack that real-world experience administering servers. And employers with entry-level jobs won't hire you, because the MCSE has nothing to do with entry-level IT work. In truth, the MCSE makes you horribly overcertified for your experience, and those entry-level employers will think that 1) you are overqualified for an entry-level job, 2) you will require more than what an entry-level job pays, and/or 3) you will get bored with the lower-than-MCSE-level work and quit within a few months, meaning they'll have to find/hire/train someone all over again.

    My advice would be to get the A+, Network+, and MCDST, and NO farther until you build quite a bit of experience. And I'd recommend that you start looking for work NOW, not after you get certified. Although certifications help, you don't *need* certifications to get an entry-level job. Every day you aren't in IT is another day you're not gaining that much-needed experience.
     
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    Welcome to CF

    What they said^

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    Hello and welcome to the forums,

    Have you paid for this course through a training provider?
     
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    i went with ICS. At the beginning i started off with trying to do a degree in Business management . Then decided that wasnt the idealist subject in which i would like to pursue.
    Today i opted for a MCSA instead of a MCSE . The MCSA requirements was just basic knowledge of the pc.
    Although many of you have suggested tht i should find a job relating to IT. I cannot do this because im finanically committed in running my own business for another three years.
    So all in all i hope with some guts and determination , i hope i can pass the MCSA course and possible do the A+ and network & certification in between it.
     
  12. onoski

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    Mugen, welcome to CF:), IT is a hard career field to break into but quite satisfying if you have the right attitude.

    I mean right attitude as in if you're willing to work hard and start small, firstly if you haven't paid for this course through ICS that's good as you can study through the self study route. This means you buy the books and a computer or two to get cracking on with and even with the emerging Virtualisation you don't need two many hardware in term of computers.

    So, I'd advise you start with the A+ cert, and then N+ then start looking for a helpdesk first line support role. To be honest the MCSE would be too intense for you to start as seeing you don't have any relevant working experience in a network server environment.

    Best wishes:) and lets know if you need further guidance.
     
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    what onoski says is right, you should be doing the A+ and N+ and probably the MCDST for starters. The MSCA is for people with atleast 12 months experience in a job as a network administrator.
     
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    What what what!! You try telling that to a certified MCSA and see if you don't get a slap!

    Seriously, Microsoft's pre-requisite for the MCSA is 12-18 months supporting Windows Server in a networked environment, which is a little more than basic knowledge of a pc!!

    I hope that opinion is not yours and is some sales talk from an ICS representative. Who should be strung up by their balls if it is!
     
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  15. BosonMichael
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    That might be ICS's requirements... but those don't match Microsoft's recommendations. Microsoft recommends 6-12 months experience administering servers in a 250+ user, multi-site, multi-server domain environment. And like the MCSE, getting the MCSA without experience can make it HARDER, not easier, to get an entry-level job.

    But ICS wasn't going to tell you that... they were going to sell you the most expensive course they could. Just goes to show that ICS is out of touch with what someone needs in order to get an IT job.

    Well... good luck with that. You'll soon discover the hard way what IT employers want.
     
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  16. Jiser

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    Yo OP, don't forget A+ and N+ or MCDST can be used as electives for your MCSA. Have you thought about part time work at all? I know alot of smaller schools offer part time I.T. Work for even 8 hours a week. Check your county council job websites if you are in the U.K. Or volunteer? Does your business have any opportunities to do anything I.T. related? Personally doing anything further than what the others said A+/N+/MCDST is stupid, specially with no experiance and being involved in your business for the next 3 years..
     
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