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Anyone heard of MDSE?

Discussion in 'MCDST' started by mattyfez, Nov 23, 2007.

  1. mattyfez

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    Hi guys, not posted for a while,

    Ive been studying on and off for the MCDST, and ive been looking at intensive training to get certfied as Ive hit a bit of a wall, cant seem to break the 60% practice test score.

    anyway I was speaking to this IT training company, specificly a salesman trying to fill slots on a course and he offered me a discount on 7day intensive "MDSE" which includes the following exams...

    70-620

    70-622
    I'm more of an XP man, I have got Vista ultimate x64, but havent bothered intalling it yet so I have ZERO experience with vista.
    This seems like more a vista course...

    what Im asking basicly is, is this a better course, or am I being offered discount from a salesman just because hes desperate to fill his slots?
     
  2. Rob1234

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    MDSE?
     
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  3. greenbrucelee
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    No there seems to be no such thing but MSDE is microsoft server desktop engine, which is an OS not an exam.
     
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  4. mattyfez

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    Yeh MDSE.....

    Microsofts website dont seem to list it, any Ideas?

    Quote from email:

    Hi Matt, The course is Microsoft Vista Desktop Support Training, also known as Microsoft Desktop Support for Enterprise. The exams that you will sit are: Exam 70-620 TS: Microsoft Windows Vista, Configuring and Exam 70-622 Pro: Microsoft Desktop Support: Enterprise If you click on the below link, this will take you to the curriculum of the MDSE course:http://www.firebrandtraining.co.uk/courses/microsoft/mdse/vista_support_curriculum.asp Let me know if I can be of anymore help.
     
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    Confusing...should I consider this, or stick with the MCDST plan? :dunce

    So I guess the combination of a 70-620 and a 70-622 would be equivelant to a Vista based MCDST?
     
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    If Microsoft's website does not list it then I would be concerned. I would just stick with self studying MCDST maybe post some questions on here for area's that you are stuck on.
     
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    Just found another link to MS website that has full details on this cert.

    Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS) 8)


    Of course it's up to you mattyfez what you do mate but please make sure you read the small print with these learning providers before handing any money over or getting a loan.

    If you are stuck doing your MCDST or need motivation why don't post a question or pop over to the MCDST section in this forum. :biggrin
     
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    Either that or that's what they call it - you know their own company's course name.

    As for which route to do. I would do the MCDST (which is 2 exams) then do the upgrade exam (70-621), this way you get to grips with MS XP tech as well as Vista, added to that you get the following status/certs: MCP (if you don't have that one already), MCDST, MCTS & MCITP :biggrin

    -Ken
     
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    Good advice there from Wagnerk!:biggrin

    Wagnerk did you do it through self study or learning provider?
     
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    Self-study...

    MCDST thru the Sybex book and experience, the MCITP: EST (and MCTS) self-study thru Microsoft technet and experience with the beta product as I did the beta exam 71-621 (MCDST upgrade).

    If I didn't have the experience, I may have gone down the route of using a learning provider - it really depends on how you feel about the subject and your take on class based learning.

    I did the MCSA 2000 via a learning provider - our local college.

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  13. mattyfez

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    I guess this company are "coining" thier own qualifications then, as you say I was looking at doing the MCDST and afterwards maybe the vista extension.

    My problem Is im kinda stuck, I cant get my scores above 50-60% with current work commitments and motivation problems...so I looked to spending my savings on a residential course, which are running at about £3000 for a 5 day course in the UK, or If I fly to america, about £1500 + flights for the same course.
     
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    I am trying to self-study, but I dont work in IT so the only experience I have is my own interests, and fixing computers for friends/family, so Ive got a bit of a knowledge gap when it comes to server admin and networking.

    excelent advice though guys, thanks for all the input...more s always welcome!
     
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    Thats quite a lot of money to spend on something which you may not pass, but if you feel it would help you then go for it, I myself would rather study more on my own untill I know the subject as full as possible and keep the 3k
     
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    To tell the truth, unless you have some experience, I would say away from residental/boot camps. You if decide that you wish to attend a formal course, try a part-time one. For example, the college that me & Modey teaches at (yes we are p/t trainers for MS courses) offer MS courses at a reasonable rates, eg the MCDST is £385 (this inc exam fees).

    -Ken
     
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    Wise Words:thumbleft Boot camps are expensive and intense. You really have to have your wits about you to do them. If your lacking in motivation you will find it a struggle to learn the material at the boot camp and they don't repeat it. It's like constant bombardment of information thrown at you for 8 hours and the you've got it the next day and the next day but each day seems more intenses.

    Anyway like wagnerk states local college is usually cheaper or alternative purchase transcender or examcram

    transcender test your knowledge on the subject and work out your weak areas so you can concentrate on them. They come highly recomended by most of the members here. Just type Transcender in the search box to see the threads on them:biggrin
     
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    mattyfez,

    Apparently, "Firebrand" checks out as a legitimate Microsoft Gold Certified Partner. From what I've gathered, this is definitely a "bootcamp" style training which would be inappropriate for your stated experience level with Vista as "I'm more of an XP man, I have got Vista ultimate x64, but havent bothered intalling it yet so I have ZERO experience with vista."

    The red flag to me is on their curriculum page where they say...
    So I'd suggest you stick to your current MCDST certification track plans.
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    1. Microsoft Solution Finder - Solutions Directory [for Firebrand] - https://solutionfinder.microsoft.co...4b6a9847cbae0833dcdb3aa2de&keywords=firebrand
     
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  19. wagnerk
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    Don't put your trust in any other just because they have "gold" status. Gold status just means that they've got the required certs and paid the fee, just see the requirements:

    -Ken
     
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  20. mattyfez

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    Thanks for the tips all,

    I think your right, I'll stick with the MCDST track and just buckle down and read more.

    Ive worked through both MS press books and the 2in1 sybex book....this was over about 6 months an I kinda stopped studying for the last 3 months, so Its a question of being more dedicated and keeping the info fresh, I think.
    I have also got the exam cram books (yet to be opened) so hopefully I can bump my practise test cores up a bit with those....

    I have trancender and measure-up disks and I am carefull about not over-using the practise tests....
    so what kind of score do you think means Im ready for the test...70%/80%/90% bearing in mind on a good day im getting about 60% at the moment:oops:
     

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