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Another which books thread...

Discussion in 'General Microsoft Certifications' started by madman045, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. madman045

    madman045 Kilobyte Poster Premium Member

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    I know these are a common thread...

    But before I buy the following books, can someone just confirm that they are the latest editions?

    MCSA/MCSE Installing,Configuring,& Administering Windows XP Professional (Hardcover)
    # Hardcover: 900 pages
    # Publisher: Microsoft Press,U.S. (Feb 2005)
    # Language English
    # ISBN: 0735621527
    # Average Customer Review: based on 3 reviews. (Write a review.)
    # Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 528 in Electronics & Photo

    MCSA/MCSE Self Paced Training Kit: Managing and Maintaining a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Environment (Hardcover)
    # Hardcover: 960 pages
    # Publisher: Microsoft Press,U.S.
    # ISBN: 0735622892
    # Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 57,664 in Books

    Thanks

    Andy
     
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  2. _omni_

    _omni_ Megabyte Poster

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    Yep..
     
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  3. tuvanit

    tuvanit Nibble Poster

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    Second edition is the latest!
     
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  4. ukspeedster

    ukspeedster Nibble Poster

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    You can download the ebooks for free. There are various sites that i've found that have listings for MS Press, Sybex, Syngress books.
     
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  5. simongrahamuk
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    simongrahamuk Hmmmmmmm?

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    Yeah, but thats breaking the law. :dry
     
  6. BosonMichael
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    BosonMichael Yottabyte Poster

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    There's this little thing called Copyright Law...

    ...and just remember that you're stealing food out of my kids mouths when you do it. :dry
     
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  7. Mitzs
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    Mitzs Ducktape Goddess

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    Dam, why don't you give him a list of BDs while your at it. Do you have no morals at all. Why don't you do the right thing instead and turn these sites into MS and sybex instead of passing them on. If you'll steal books, how does your employer know your not stealing parts? :x
     
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  8. ukspeedster

    ukspeedster Nibble Poster

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    Actually its not stealing, its more like sharing. The person who owns the site has purchased the books and put the ebooks on the site. Its like borrowing a friends book at school.
    How is that stealing :dry
     
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  9. ukspeedster

    ukspeedster Nibble Poster

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    I'm not passing on any info, I was just commenting. As far as your comment goes, im sure MS, Sybex, etc etc, know about these sites.
     
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  10. Baba O'Riley

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    Actually ukspeedster, it's not. If you borrow a friends book, there's only one copy in circulation and the author has been paid for that copy. If you post a pdf of a book on the web and 1000 people download it, that's 1001 copies of the book in circulation but the author has still only been paid for one. You could say the same about copies of DVDs or software, but I seriously doubt you would argue that that's not stealing.
     
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  11. Bluerinse
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    Well said Baba!
     
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  12. BosonMichael
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    How is it *not* stealing?

    So in your mind, if I buy a game and host an ISO of it on my Web site, and you download it, are you not stealing? I bought the game, and you're taking an electronic copy of it. It's the same concept with the book - one person buys it and other people take an electronic copy of it. It's theft, and completely against Copyright Law.
     
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  13. ukspeedster

    ukspeedster Nibble Poster

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    Ok, lets compare this to a book library. There is one copy of a book at a library, and 100 people borrow it, read it and return it.

    You're not replicating it, so is this stealing information?
     
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  14. Baba O'Riley

    Baba O'Riley Gigabyte Poster

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    I think you're missing the point - a library isn't stealing because there is one copy of the book, only one person can read it at a time and the author has been paid for that one copy. That is totally different to an electronic copy that is being read by several people simultaneously.
     
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  15. BosonMichael
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    As Baba stated, when you borrow a library book, there's still only one copy that the author has been paid for, and only one person can use that book at a time. An illegally shared e-book HAS been replicated... hundreds or thousands of times, for which the author gets NO payment for. Thousands of people can use the e-book simultaneously. There's no way this can be justified.

    Plus, distributing copies of a book is *specifically* prevented by Copyright Law (not Copyright Opinion, Copyright LAW). Whether you like it or not, distributing a book by e-book download is no different than photocopying a book and distributing it for free to people in a class or on the street - it's illegal.
     
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  17. Cockles

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    At the risk of going off topic, can I add my 2 pennies worth here. I may sound controversial here but here goes....

    Don't get me wrong (before people jump down my throat), I do not in any shape or form condone the use of ebooks illegally nor file sharing copyrighted material, but in some cases I can understand why people do it. I can understand why a hungry man would steal food from a shop, doesn't mean I like it, but I can see why he did it.

    To someone starting out, learning in IT is a very daunting and possibly intimidating thing, particularly if your only real exposure to it is via learning centre on the TV that will happily take up to 10k off you for the pleasure of gaining creditation. I can in that case see why people will go for the easier and cheaper options, such as getting ebooks which will save the person something in the region of 40 odd quid a time. Then, you get the exams themselves, which are by no means cheap. Unfortunately, we do live in a time where everything is wanted yesterday, and that includes learning for a specific skill. I was on the cusp of signing up for one of these myself before I was lucky enough to stumble across this forum and gain the knowledge that there ARE cheaper and efficient ways to study for whatever it is you require, but not everyone is able to do that

    IMHO, the computer industry as a whole at the moment is quite a rip off. I wanted to go freelance as a designer a year ago, but there was no way I could afford nearly a grand for Quark then about another grand for the Adobe suite. I mean, a grand for a few discs!!!! I think it's disgusting.

    I fully agree with those that are angry with such carry ons (including using BDs) purely as I am working my ass of trying to better myself, and I hate the thought of some nimrod gaining the same credits as me in a fraction of the time but in reality knowing only a fraction as much, yet on paper we are equal. That bugs me as potential employers will see me as the same as some idiot who does that. But can anyone honestly say they have never burnt a CD they shouldn't have, or shared MP3s, or burnt DVD copies, or even photocopied sections out of a book from a library? From what you are saying, it is all under the same banner.

    By all means I advocate the reporting of such things to the appropriate board, but I do think it is a little harsh to slam into people for doing so quite innocently, claiming they have no morals or whatnot. I was given a CD full of ebooks when I announced I was studying which I started using, until I found out what they actually were. I had no idea they were illegal, but does that make me a bad person, or a cheat?

    Rant over. Sorry about that
     
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  18. Bluerinse
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    Not in my book :biggrin
     
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  19. Cockles

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    Thank you very much Mr Rinse :biggrin

    Sorry, was getting a tad frustrated, I have really been getting on well with my studying then I came across IRQs, which for some reason have stumped me somewhat. Thankfully CF and various online computer dictionaries helped me through.

    I must confess, the Mike Meyers book is very handy, but I do find fault with it. As I mentioned before, there is a lack of glossary (which I will happily provide for the forum when I am done as I am writing my own) and also it has a tendency to spend pages on a particular subject which you sweat over, then it says something like 'None of this applies anymore as it wsa made obsolete when XX was invented'. I know it is always good to have the extra knowledge, but I wish it would give you the option of learning that if you wanted
     
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  20. Baba O'Riley

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    Not at all. But if someone heavily involved in the copyrighting of materials (in this case BBM) would you then argue with them that he is wrong or would you just say "fair enough, you're right, lesson learnt"?
     
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