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An end to the MCSE: Messaging?

Discussion in 'Exchange Exams' started by Trogdor, Feb 16, 2010.

  1. Trogdor

    Trogdor Kilobyte Poster Gold Member

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    I was just having a peek at the potential path for MCSE specialisations (not that I am anywhere near that point yet, just doing a bit of future dreaming), and I noticed that the 70-285, which is a requirement for the MCSE Messaging specialisation, will be retired in October of this year. This is footnoted on the electives portion of the standard MCSE page but not on the page listing the requirements for the messaging specialisation for some strange reason :blink

    Does anyone know if this is an error on the main MCSE page or just an omission on the MCSE Specialisation page.

    Either way, maybe I should concentrate my dreaming to more current certs... :hhhmmm
     
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    That is odd. Best thing to do is email MS about it. An MCTS I took, Vista and Office Deployment 70-624, is due to retire too. I knew about this, and that 624 was going to get canned, so I'm guessing 70-285 is indeed going to be retired. . . . .
     
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  3. Sparky
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    Didn’t realise it would be that soon. In saying that don’t think too many people will have to design an Exchange 2003 roll out now. MS will be wanting us all to go for Exchange 2007/2010.
     
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    I reported this in a thread at the beginning of the year, and haven't heard any information any different thus far
    Theres a list of all the MS October 31, 2010 retired exam via the link below

     
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  5. SimonD

    SimonD Terabyte Poster Moderator

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    Why on earth are you surprised? this is messaging technology thats 2 generations out of date NOW, never mind October when they actually retire the exam.

    The same with 70-624, it tests you on BDD, the only trouble with that is BDD (2007) was replaced by MDT 2008 which has since been replaced by MDT 2010.

    Technology moves on, so do exams and certs.

    Be thankful that MS haven't actually canned the MCSE yet, after all that's now 2 versions out of date (2008 replaced by 2008R2).
     
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    2008 R2 isn't really a "new version". ;)

    2000 is "2 versions out of date".
     
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    Dont Microsoft normally select newer certs so there is a path available to complete for a limited time.
    I know they did with 2000 to 2003 for people halfway through a MCSA 2K or MCSE 2K

    perhaps they will allow the MCSE: Messaging to be completed via 2007 certs for a limited time for those that set out to get the MCSE: M
     
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  8. Trogdor

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    Yeah, I guess when thinking about it there will not be much call for design skills when it comes to Exchange '03. Most will go with '07 or '10 - so it will just be a matter of administrating / troubleshooting the existing '03 installations.

    I just wonder what will happen in the near future when employers (or the recruitment companies / HR departments who have no clue about what all these certifications mean you can do) insist on candidates having an MCSE when it will no longer be possible to get one.
     
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    No reason to... there's already an Exchange 2007 certification.

    If you want the MCSE: Messaging, get it now.
     
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    But there are plenty of companies that use Exchange 2003. And most companies with Exchange 2003 servers aren't exactly itching to migrate... at least, not until their existing server can't handle the workload. If Exchange 2003 does the job - and it does - there's no real compelling reason to migrate. It ain't exactly cheap, know what I mean?

    You say that as if it will happen at some point in the future, and not now. They currently don't have a clue as to what all these certifications mean.

    That said, it doesn't matter whether you can get it anymore or not... they can still rightfully require an MCSE for a job. Just because you can't get it anymore doesn't mean people won't have it.
     
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    of course it is 2007 certs are electives ooops wasnt thinking.

    but not the MCSE:M
     
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  12. Trogdor

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    That is SO true. MCSE has become such a buzzword (or buzz acronym?) among recruiters. If you are applying for a job to clean the a/c filters in the server room you need an MCSE! I found this out during my recent job search. I actually put a sentence in my CV that contained MCSE; something like it being an eventual goal of mine just to show up on the recruiter's radar. I went from getting 1-2 calls per week to getting 2-3 calls per day!
     
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    I must admit i wanted the MCSE before starting the newer certification paths partly because it was a buzz word or search term greatly used by recruiters. Don't think i will be doing a MCSE unless its around a few more years at least, I would hate to start and not complete, i will however, complete the MCSA. I am not rushing this.
     
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    It's strange, my phone never really 'rings' with regards to work, yet my cv (as seen by some on this site) is decent enough. I have a number of certs to my name (as seen in my sig) and I am about to add the MCITP:EA cert to it within the next 2 months or so and within 6 months I want my VCP.

    I don't think that having buzz words\acronyms will ensure you get calls, it certainly doesn't for me, or perhaps that's simply because the level of work I do these days means that agencies take one look at my cv and decide that I simply wouldn't bother.

    Whilst it's nice having certs I do think it's more important to have the experience instead (however I actually knew a couple of TDA's (Technical Design Authorities) who even 10 years ago were on £500 a day, they had no MCSE's at that time but when trying to get work after this particular contract were told they needed an MCSE for future work, within a week both guys had sat down and passed all the exams required for the MCSE, seriously, within a week of being told they needed it they had sat down and passed them all).

    Don't get all worked up about retiring certs, as long as you know your product knowledge you will be ok.
     
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    Yes and no, it has greater differences than the differences between 2003 and 2003R2.
     
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    My point is, Microsoft doesn't consider it a true "new version". Otherwise, they'd have called it Server 2009. :)

    Eh, you say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to. :)
     
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    of course not, but it may help to get your CV seen ifs its in a database be it in a HR department or online service..
     
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