AMD Phenom

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Why does the AMD Phenom get such a hard time?

They're actually not that bad, you certainly get more power to the pound.

Also just been reading about the Phenom II looks like it will have same model number 940 as the Intel i7

 

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It gets a hard time as it can't compete with Intel's Core 2 chips.

That's it. Nuff said. Intel win.

Qs

 

I was just thinking in terms of economics

 

Hardware is measured on price and power usage but mostly on performance, so if a product doesn't live up to it's rival then it usually doesn't get a good review unless its stupidly cheap or has some funky addons

GRim

 

AMD will run out money shortly because they are spending too much on that combined cpu/gpu and getting into debt buying ATi wont have helped either. )

 

The whole thing goes in a cycle though so hopefully they'll weather the storm and we'll see a resurgence.

A few years ago if you bought anything other than AMD you were stupid, the P4 ran hot and and inefficient compared to the AMD offerings of the time. Now Intel have the performance crown and AMD languish as second best, all it takes for the whole thing to flop back again is a moment of genius at AMD and we're back into a proper fight.

The reason the Phenoms press is so bad is as others have said its just not as good as the Core 2 Duo and Quad, both of which are more energy efficient and better value. A Phenom 9950 Black edition weighs in at £137.99 from Novatech, An Intel Quad Core Q6600 is £143.75. The AMD is clocked at 2.6Ghz the Intel at 2.4Ghz but the Q6600 has the overhead available to be ramped up to near on 4Ghz with only air cooling.

With that small increase in initial cost you get a processor which shreds the competition and has the potential to destroy anything AMD have.

 

Personally I think INtel are too far ahead for AMD to catch.

Nvidia and ATi are more closley matched although I prefer Nvidia as I have always found ATi drivers to be flakey.

 

Same, Nvidia every day of the week.

Where AMD should be aiming for market share (and seem to be working towards) is the corporate market, your assessment is certainly true in the consumer world, particularly as far as enthusiasts are concerned but if AMD can get on chip gfx up and running they should be able to get all kinds of interest for things like thin clients for virtual environments which is a big and growing market.

Of course if Intel manage something special with Larrabee then AMD are totally screwed in both the CPU and GPU market and down they go

 

We are running AMD Opterons at the moment and they seem good but I wouldn't use one for personal use.

 

I got about 8 units with AMD Phenom 9950 BE can't say they are all that bad and the price was excellent

 

Not when compared to the Core2 processors. They currently provide the best bang for the buck, so economically, they're the best option.

Not saying the Phenom is bad... just saying that the Core2 is a better buy.

 

Actually i was comparing them with core2 of same RRP (and there corresponding benchmarks) at time of realise in UK
Phenom provided the best bang for the buck in terms of RRP

Also 4 cores and useful unlocked multipler

Of course recession could have changed that

 

overclocking is bad mmkay says me with 4GHz core 2 duo

 

Rarely is a chip offered at the RRP.

In any case, the C2xs are highly overclockable.

Meh, choose what you will. Not my money.

 

ooh right

no ones buying

 

Plenty ARE buying - or AMD and Intel would both go out of business.

Just because YOU aren't buying doesn't mean others aren't - hundreds of people read this forum without posting. And if they take your advice and go AMD... then like I said, it's "not my money". ;)

 

didn't offer advice anyway not in this thread

 

People only need to read the differences in how each company are doing Intel because they have hit the nail on the head with C2D & C2Q CPUs their income is through the roof, whilst AMD have been slow on the uptake their income is down.

Intel have just scored again with the i7 CPUs too.

 

What core temps are you getting under full load?