aaaaaannnnndddd.......

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...there go the ashes.

I can't ever remember being as disappointed with a sporting event as I have with this ashes series. I was looking forward to it so much as well.

That Australian side is utterly, utterly ridiculous. they have to be hands down the best team in the history of sport - I can think of lots of great teams, in many sports (Liverpool of the 80s, Man Utd on the 90s in football, late 70s Steelers, 80s-90s 49ers in US Football, 80s Oilers, early 90s Pens in hockey) but I can;'t think of a team that is as all-round dominant as the Aussie cricket team of the last ten years.

hats off to them - and christ alone knows how England managed to beat 'em a couple of years ago!

 

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aaannnddd a whitewash 5 nil - heheheheheheh

AUSSIEEE

OOYYEE!

AUSSIE, AUSSIE, AUSSIE

OYE, OYE, OYE

yes they are the greatest in the history of the game in my view.

Seriously now that a few have retired it may make the game more interesting as a sport should be a contest not a whitewash.

How England won in England earlier...must have been that warm beer and warney's texting

 

You must be talking of the Edmonton variety, and not the Houston variety. ;)

 

All I have to say on the matter is.......damn we're good!

 

First 5-0 whitewash since 1920-1921.... its WAS an impressive team... but i think this is the end... think about how long the majority of this team has been together? World Cup 1999 in England... 3 VERY BIG players have gone now and i think 2 more will follow soon Gillcrest and Pointing.. so maybe some other country will now take over..

As for England... Poor Duncan Fletcher...when he took over cricket they were so low in both Tests and one-days it was sad so i hope they stick by with him.


oh and zeb you forgetting another major team... chicago bulls... they were a TEAM!

 

No - the Chicago Bulls of the 90s were, basically, the best athlete in the history of sports, Scottie Pippen and some other guys. No-one individual dominated a sport more then Jordan did in the late 80s to mid 90s. Tiger had a go for a good while - but was only absolutely dominant for about three years. I don't consider darts a 'sport', otherwise Phil Taylor would be the closest to him. Jordan was almost superhuman.

 

i was talking about the team of the 90's i mean the day the team dissolved and the coach retired the bulls arent even known....

 

Tiger's not the most dominant athlete in sports? Jordan was the greatest basketball player at his time, but that's about it. Have you seen him on the links? Ugh. Oh, and I saw him play baseball, and that was *pure* embarrassment! As for dominating a sport, Tiger's stats are amazing. Remember, Tiger doesn't have a Pippen to contribute, much less the quality of the bench he had during a few of his championships.

 

No... golfers aren't athletes. They're skilled at what they do, certainly... but athlete? No.

 

huh? Where you coming with that? Ever played golf? you try playing 72 holes over 4 days....

 

Yep, I've played it. Swing a club at a ball and ride around in a golf cart. Doesn't make me sore or tired, that's for sure.

 

Ok, ignore most golfers physique -- the new age of golfers spend a lot of time training in the gym. Besides, what determines an athlete? Running and jumping? How much they can lift? Or how good they are in their field? Look at Tiger again, from any of those...

Oh, and if you think riding around in a golfcart is really what Tiger's about, you have *no* earthly clue about him or pro golf. He's the first there, and the last to leave, and given that the average course is 7000+ yards, you can do the math on playing several rounds a day, hours at the range, and workouts in the gym. I watched Jordan a lot, and he didn't work half as hard.

Golf's not a sport? No, sorry, poker is not a sport. Even so, why is it on ESPN instead of a real game?

 

Sure, golf's a sport. But the competitors are far from athletes. And a golfer doesn't have to be a good athlete or in good shape to be an excellent golfer.

I'm excellent in my field. Am I an athlete? Of course not.

I didn't say Tiger just rode around in a golf cart. I didn't question his effort or skill. You asked me if I had played golf. I said yes, and golf's not a very athletic activity. I ride around in a golf cart and hit balls with a club. Makes no difference how strong I am or what shape I'm in - meaning, how athletic I am. It's all accuracy. It has much more in common with something like darts or bowling (also not sports, IMO) than with football.

Tiger puts forth a great deal of effort. I'm sure he trains hard. He's in shape, especially compared to the rest of his field. But he's not a football player, basketball player, hockey player, rugby player, marathon runner, sprinter, boxer, etc.

From Dictionary.com
ath lete [ath-leet] -noun
a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.

Sorry, guys, I'll have to just disagree with you. I just don't see the physicality of golf. Not Tiger's training, not Tiger's long hours, but the sport of golf itself.

EDIT: ESPN runs poker because ESPN is the ENTERTAINMENT and Sports Programming Network. That falls squarely in Entertainment.

 

I guess that it's my turn to take a few potshots.

So training your body, muscles and reflexes to react to changing conditions in the swing, angle and control of the club, not to mention the perfecting of hand, eye, arm, (and basically full body) control is not physical?

That's like saying Michael Schumacher just drives a car.

So what's your handicap? When you see these guys with a score in the low 60's it's for a full 18 holes. Don't forget that the par for a course is generally set for a reasonably good player, not a professional. All the courses I've played on were around par 100.

It's funny but when you talk about football I know you mean American style. All that comes to mind is that to succeed there is to be big enough to pound your opponent into the ground before he does it to you. Where is the skill in that? Of course I also realise that there is a quaterback that not only requires strength and physical agility to throw a ball, but also accuracy.

Also if you look at it that way, in basketball a guard just runs up and down the field all the time pushing people out of the way.

It's not only your comments BBM. Others have also included the other team members (as athletes) in the same sentence with such names as Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan, and then promptly dismissed them only Pippen and Jordan had the skill to be an athlete/sportsman.

According to the definition you gave about sport, if a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill, is what it takes to be an athlete in a physical activity, then golf is a sport and Tiger is an athlete.

As a side note, poker is shown here on Eurosport too. It's a game more to do with luck if you ask me.

Unfortunately IT is a sport more to do with intelligence than any real physical skill (like chess) but I'm sure that if it were to be classified as a sport then you'd do well at the hard disk toss or the 50 yard server dash.

 

oh btw talking of great sportsman... schumacher??? where does he fit in?? he is the GREATEST!!

 

The name rings a bell, but .................:hhhmmm

Ah, but see, my point exactly. He just drove a car.