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10 Certificate Programs That Can Add Dollar Signs to Your Résumé

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by Mitzs, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. Mitzs
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    http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom/msn/careeradvice/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1342&SiteId=cbmsnen41342&sc_extcmp=JS_1342_encarta&GT1=23000&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=cabbdf920df64955be1c68b1fdeec402-261196497-R9-4
     
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    I’d write a lengthy reply but I don’t have the time!
    I have to learn Oracle (don’t ask me which program, I just know I’m learning it all) so I can earn the software engineer national average of $87K. This will be the best night of my life. 8)

    …not including that other night which was definitely the best night of my life; but that’s another story :twisted:
     
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    Cynic! <giggle>

    Harry.
     
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  4. Mitzs
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    Ok, the other night sounds way more interesting then learning Oracle. Hit me with a privy and I'll pass it on to Harry. I like to see him giggle.:biggrin
     
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  5. BosonMichael
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    But I'm not likely to hire you as a database administrator if you have no IT experience. So... good luck breaking into the field in less than a year.

    But what about those students who enroll and aren't in IT? I'm not gonna hire them to administer my Oracle database with no IT experience.

    Again, I'm not gonna hire you to secure a network if you've never been in IT.

    Do the people writing these articles even work in IT? :blink

    Again... something you're not likely to be asked to do when starting out.

    Sure, these programs are great for people already IN IT... but articles like these are EXACTLY why many people trying to break into IT have unreasonable expectations.
     
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    That is why I posted this here for our community. So go away Mr. Negativity.8)
     
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    Call me negative if you want... but I won't stop warning people about these things until I stop encountering as many people as I do who see these articles and pursue those careers with dollar figures in their eyes. I might be perceived as negative, but if I've helped one person "wake up" to how NOT to pursue a career, then it's well worth being called names for it.
     
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    Add me to the "negativity" club also.

    Especially when "network administrators" ask me how to share a printer. :dry
     
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    Any career that requires a significant level of education and training will take years of hard work and study to get to the sort of salary quoted by training companies. You have to start out by hitting the books, then get into an entry level role and move on up from there. It’s the same for a doctor or a lawyer et al. Unfortunately there are a lot of ‘network administrators’ who don’t know how to share a printer, I just hope there aren’t that many doctors who don’t know how to diagnose and treat patients correctly.
     
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    And do you think you have to keep warning people HERE, evertime I post something helpfull for others? Do you not think the users here have a little bit more common sense then the average joe blow and know they are going to have to work for it?
     
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    Interesting Article, seems to vary year by year...
     
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    Considering there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of silent people who read these posts... not just the 30-or-so vocal people who post on a regular basis... yes, I do have to keep warning people HERE.
     
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    i say its who you know just as much as what you know

    yes there are probably "network administrators" out there who dont even know how to share a printer

    but at the end of the day they have the job...........and are earning money........is that not the idea

    :D
     
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    ...until they lose that job because they don't know how to share a printer. Meanwhile, the tech who truly knows his/her stuff remains employed. Which would you rather be?
     
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    Hit the nail on the head there. To be successful in any career you have to know what your doing.
     
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    not necessarily,

    The place where i used to work, a government funded learning enviroment....

    someone once asked the network manager to change some file permissions on the shared drive because they couldnt get access to a folder (the NTFS access denied message was coming up)

    He replied "you'l have to ask Ryan, i don't know how to do it"

    Bizzare no? simple file permissions..........various other daft things on different occasions happened whilst i was employed there.

    Yet he still works there to this day, as the Network Manager, earning around 33-34K a year.

    If he were in a commercial enviroment then i guess he would be sacked eventually lol, but the place where he works is very laid back due to it being government funded and having no financial pressures.

    Not trying to prove anyone wrong here..........just saying................it happens
     
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    Thats the public sector for you, jobs for the boys
     
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    If that's the case, then the company deserves the lack of service they get for what they're paying their employees. You are correct in that someone like that wouldn't last long in a commercial environment... unless their supervisors are similarly inept. And that DOES happen. Still, in general... wouldn't you rather be the tech who knows what they're doing rather than be a tech who has just passed a bunch of tests?

    All that said, managers don't necessarily have to know how to do the "techie" stuff. They manage. In my last job, my supervisor was the IT manager, but I knew more than he did on the technical side. He didn't have to; I was responsible for maintaining the functionality of the network and attached systems (servers and workstations), and it was his job to manage the department and budget for IT purposes. We each had our roles.

    Now, if he were in my position, and I was in a junior network admin position, things would have been screwed up, because it WOULD have been his responsibility to know how to do that stuff. THAT is the difference.

    Thus, your Network Manager may not be required to know the technical side... he may be required by his supervisors to simply manage those who DO know how to do the techie work.
     
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    That’s what I’ve seen time and time again.
    Whether it’s management or administrators, the people ‘who you know’ can’t protect you from your peers/colleagues and other staff from knowing your under qualified faults.

    Personal experience…
    There was an IT-Director that came to my previous company. He brought a Network Manager and a Sr. Admin with him. None knew their role. To their defense, they came from a large org that had people for specific tasks, but in this company they needed to know the ins/outs (like what their staff was doing).

    Well, the Network Manager & Sr. Admin werer gone within the first 4-months. The IT-Director lasted 18-months. They weren’t qualified and the executive committee made mistake in describing the role(s) and selecting the people. :dry

    By the way, the existing staff new they were a wrong fit from first week. :eek:
     
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    I can see that. Depends on the size of the group and the responsibilities the team has. If he's a true manager, his job is to lead the team; and surround himself with the 'right' people to do the daily job. It would be his fault for hiring only CCIE's if he's responsible for a hetrogenous network that includes AD, Exchange, UNIX servers, etc...

    My manager probably can't (or has no desire to) design the network between sites. That's why he has a team of knowledgeable people (like me :) ) so he can concentrate on layers 8, 9, and 10. 8)
     

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